[Official] LOST Ep. 5.14 Discussion

[taphead]

Huh, so Dan was crying when we first saw him because his time travel experiment let him see his future, which was a past in which he was trying to change the future, and seeing the fake 815 in the ocean confirmed to him that he had not done so. Also, it seems like Dan's constant is actually his Mom, he met her in so many different time periods, if his initial time travel trip from his experiment took him to his later island based time traveling. I dunno, it seems like the explanation for how Dan was much more functional than Theresa. And an experience like the one I just laid out for Dan, that certainly strikes me as something that would destroy one's memory.

[jmrichards27]

That Desmond/Penny scene in the hospital seemed kind of final and with all HIC's recent legal problems, could we be done with Desmond?

What a touching, sincere scene that was. My personal highlight of the episode, notwithstanding the sheer hotness of the rest.

So in a previous episode Hawking says something about the island not being done with Desmond yet. But in tonight's episode she seems quite sincere when she says she doesn't know what's going to happen now. Since Desmond is there at the hospital when she says this, could she have been wrong about him going back?

The same kind of questions crossed my mind, PCat. I'm hoping this "The island isn't done with you yet, Desmond" isn't a hole in the story. If it is not, I can suggest that Hawking knows that he'll be pulled back there, but knows only as much. If it is indeed a hole in the story, then maybe Desmond's story is over, but seeing as it is not in LOST style to abandon a major character without proper closing (generally a death), it's safe to say we'll still see him.

Again, great Desmond/Penny scene at the hospital.

Okay, maybe I'm alone in this, but I love Desmond SO SO much, that I'd be willing to give up having him in the show for the whole final season if it means he gets to have a happy ending. Seriously. I just wrote about this over on DarkUFO. An ending like that is EXTREMELY rare, especially on Lost.

I would much rather he live happily ever after with Penny and Charlie than have to go back to that godforsaken island for who knows what reason, and possibly DIE. I will, of course, miss him...and miss hearing him say "Brotha" and "Penneh!"...but I'd rather he go out like this than like Daniel.

I don't think it has to be a hole in the story. And I don't think it means they would never revisit the Character--even Walt pops in from time to time. And he's not dead. Just because Eloise said "The Island's not done with you" doesn't mean she knew what she was talking about. I think she was coming to the end of her knowledge at that point, and may have been grasping at straws. And anyway, isn't Desmond the one the rules don't apply to? It's about time he put that to work for him and chose his own destiny--with Penny and Charlie. Eloise foiled him once. He said he'd change it if he got another chance. I hope the Island will will leave him alone.


Even though I will miss him.

[Magic Box]

And anyway, isn't Desmond the one the rules don't apply to?

My apologies for cherry picking your interesting Desmond-loving post, jmrichards - but this has caught my attention.

The "you are uniquely and miraculously special, and the rules don't apply to you" came early enough in the season, when the island was jumping in time and our brains jumping in our skull. It has never ever been revisited, and those keeping an eye on Desmond's story has kept wondering about this story arc.

For all the love I have for this show, and the respect I have for the outstanding story telling skills of Darlton, story holes and continuity errors have been getting me increasingly anxious over the season. If they will follow on Desmond's story as well as they've followed Dan's presence at the Orchid in the season's opening, then Desmond's "miraculousness" will play out. Unfortunately for us Brotha's lovers, it might mean a bad end, but it would be premature to go shop for a black outfit just now. It seems that since Ben hasn't killed Penny, hopes are allowed.

There are two things to be explained regarding Desmond as of now: that he is uniquely special and doesn't abide by the rules, and that the island isn't done with him yet. We've got one more episode and a two-hour finale to learn a bit more, otherwise his story will crawl over to the next season. If it does and hasn't fallen down the writers' hole.

That said, this sure wasn't a Desmond season at all.

[myxomatosis]

So after this episode, I really despise Eloise. Shes evil. Worse part is Daniel asking his Mom if shed be proud of him if he went to the island, and she answers yes knowing in the back of her mind she is potentially sending him on a death mission. And I don't want to hear about "sacrifice." What kind of mother doesn't even try to prevent her sons death, even if her attempts are futile.

And I hated that note. "Remember I'll love you no matter what" or whatever it said, which was basically Eloise saying "I'll love you no matter what--even when I shoot you like the savage prude I am." But poor Daniel didn't know yet.

It would seem that when Eloise talked about sacrifice, she was referring to Daniel being killed, but I want to be optimistic and think that her sacrifice is being exiled from the island after she takes Daniel to the temple in an attempt to save his life, despite Richard fore bidding her. Just a theory.

Ugh, they can't bring Daniel back just to kill him. I wont believe it till that sad piano music they play at LOST deaths kicks in. Daniel can't die.

[BookhouseBoy]

That Desmond/Penny scene in the hospital seemed kind of final and with all HIC's recent legal problems, could we be done with Desmond?

Well, that lawsuit was only filed last week, so for season 5 at least, the show was all done before that even happened. And the (alleged) incident happened way back in November, 2007, when they were about halfway through filming of season 4, so obviously they kept HIC around for quite a bit after that.

[Magic Box]

That Desmond/Penny scene in the hospital seemed kind of final and with all HIC's recent legal problems, could we be done with Desmond?

Well, that lawsuit was only filed last week, so for season 5 at least, the show was all done before that even happened.

It could have been brewing in the background for a while with attempts at dealing a plea bargain, in which case Darlton would have been in the knowing. Just a thought.

[jmrichards27]

And anyway, isn't Desmond the one the rules don't apply to?

My apologies for cherry picking your interesting Desmond-loving post, jmrichards - but this has caught my attention.

The "you are uniquely and miraculously special, and the rules don't apply to you" came early enough in the season, when the island was jumping in time and our brains jumping in our skull. It has never ever been revisited, and those keeping an eye on Desmond's story has kept wondering about this story arc.

For all the love I have for this show, and the respect I have for the outstanding story telling skills of Darlton, story holes and continuity errors have been getting me increasingly anxious over the season. If they will follow on Desmond's story as well as they've followed Dan's presence at the Orchid in the season's opening, then Desmond's "miraculousness" will play out. Unfortunately for us Brotha's lovers, it might mean a bad end, but it would be premature to go shop for a black outfit just now. It seems that since Ben hasn't killed Penny, hopes are allowed.

There are two things to be explained regarding Desmond as of now: that he is uniquely special and doesn't abide by the rules, and that the island isn't done with him yet. We've got one more episode and a two-hour finale to learn a bit more, otherwise his story will crawl over to the next season. If it does and hasn't fallen down the writers' hole.

That said, this sure wasn't a Desmond season at all.

No apologies needed.

We all have our own view point. What I didn't say was that they probably will bring him back--this is Lost, after all. They'll have to do SOMEthing to explain the whole "the island's not done with you" line...but my post was more about how I kind of wish they wouldn't. I'd rather his story effectively ends where we saw it tonight. I just wanted to be clear that I only say that 'cause I care. I just think he & Penny have been through enough angst. Yes, I know I'm talking about fictional characters.

But that's just me.

[Kid_A]

Uhhh... consciously or unconsciously, but I don't understand why the original Others are so rude... Eloise didn't have to do that!

BTW, I couldn't get one thing: Eloise always worked to lead Daniel to science, and made him to accept the invitation that Widmore did to send him to the island. Finally Daniel said, "You knew this was going to happen, and you sent me anyway..." Why would Eloise do such a thing? Does she want the electromagnetic-thing to be released and the button to be constructed and Flight 815 to be crashed on the island? Well, probably not that much , but the energy release?

[sandi]

Uhhh... consciously or unconsciously, but I don't understand why the original Others are so rude... Eloise didn't have to do that!

BTW, I couldn't get one thing: Eloise always worked to lead Daniel to science, and made him to accept the invitation that Widmore did to send him to the island. Finally Daniel said, "You knew this was going to happen, and you sent me anyway..." Why would Eloise do such a thing? Does she want the electromagnetic-thing to be released and the button to be constructed and Flight 815 to be crashed on the island? Well, probably not that much , but the energy release?

Ellie has been the driving force behind Whatever Happened, Happened rule ever since we first met her, I think this episode showed how much it affected her having to follow this rule. She knew that there was no other alternative

[Kid_A]

But she sent her son to the island anyway... no no! Charles sent Daniel to the island, Eloise only gave courage to Daniel, maybe knowing that whether she told him that it would make her preciate with her son or not would change anything.

[sandi]

But she sent her son to the island anyway... no no! Charles sent Daniel to the island, Eloise only gave courage to Daniel, maybe knowing that whether she told him that it would make her preciate with her son or not would change anything.

That's what I mean, she knows that Daniel has to go to the island in 2004, there is no way round it no matter what she does. This is why I believe she was so distant as a mother as Daniel grew up, she even called it her 'job' in the first FB.

[ChamberZone]

So is Daniel actually dead?
Or are they trying to mislead us with that last shot? He could just be badly injured, the others could help him out.
Spose you never know in Lost world, unless i'm being an absolute gorm and missing something.
x

[Tranquility]

This can't be the end for Daniel

[ChamberZone]

It really can't, the death wasn't a normal lost death, no emotional music, just a sort of cliffhanger. So i don't reckon he is dead, maybe the sacrifice Ellie is talking about is sending Daniel to the temple to be healed? Which means she has to leave?

Who knows.

[Mental Wreckage]

This can't be the end for Daniel

It seems he was already dead in the last few seconds of the episode, but what I really don't understand is how the Comic Con 2008 thingy (Pierre Chang & Faraday) fits in the continuity of Lost, since Chang obviously didn't believe Faraday was from the future and they haven't talked again since.

So in my opinion that means this still needs to happen, and therefore Faraday can't be dead.
Except if the Comic Con movie is non-canon.